Naming

[artanaro]

I believe the time is close to name this elven tradition...Naming helps bring the named into manifestation, so I think that naming this tradition will solidify it in a way, and give a focus for our efforts...
Not in a dogmatic way, of course, but I believe we must have some structure or foundation to set, or everything will be chaotic and will fall apart.
All paths and beliefs are welcome here. We all tread our own paths, but we all have our elven nature in common...Take what you will from this tradition and apply it however you feel is best toward your own beliefs or paths.
Anyway, done rambling, the only suggestion so far is Rad-en-Edhel which means path of the elves in Sindarin.
We wish to stay with the Sindarin language as became the tradition in the Second Age....
Any suggestions or ideas are welcome at this point...

Hantale
Artanaro

[Indis]

I acualy like that name. I think that suits best but also find something simmiler to the stars and Gonstic? just a guess or what ever.

[artanaro]

I just had another idea for a name that popped out of nowhere:
Faer-en-Edhel which means "Spirit of the Elves" in Sindarin

that I think is another possibility

Artanaro

[Indis]

I would like Wolf to be in there but the sindarian for wolf don't sound right. Not with this.

[artanaro]

That is true, but also keep in mind that everyone who will take part in this do not all follow the wolf path , mellon A name more all encompassing such as Rad-en-Edhel or Faer-en-Edhel (btw what do you think of that?) would do much better.


Hantale
Artanaro

[Indis]

Maybe something to do with the Yin Yang? for nothing is pure Light or Pure Darkness. I think with the Yin Yang and the inbetween and such would be perfect. Teaching to Embrace both Darkness and Light for also teaching that neather is of the other for Nature is Both. Unlike Wicca with the an ye harm non do what thee will is a bit wrong in a way. For they only teach the Light not Darkness. Like I said a sort of Yin Yang Aspect. It will also help me learn to. It also goes with Gnostics. For I think even the Elves of the past will agree about nothing is pure light nor dark. Me soon I will be taught by My Concort about In between its called the Invisibal Hand. I am sure you know of it. When your ready once I am taught what I need I will teach you. Along with anyone else who might be ready.

[artanaro]

Hmmm....sounds interesting, sounds like Taoism to me. I have studied Taoism for a number of years.It has some very subtle ideas. I still view Eru Iluvatar as the Tao though. But since Eru is beyond mortal and immortal thought, we go by this name as a kind of a default name, fully knowing that this does not tell the whole story, so to speak. Eru is the One since All is One and Eru is in fact All That Is. That is my view and is not the only view, it is merely another view, for there is no single truth, any claiming their truth to be the only truth lie, and are servants of Morgoth.
Anyway I got a bit off topic there (or maybe I didnt) but I wholly agree with the Yin/Yang concept, and even the elves recognized that there is no pure light and pure darkness because everything arose from the Ainulindale which encompassed both since it was bounded by the themes of Eru. It took us awhile to learn this , even the Valar needed to learn this via experience for they too are within Time and have forgotten much(for this is what happens when you descend into relativity : forgetfulness)...

This seems like it would take quite a few words to describe in elvish.....
A name that encompasses everyone will be good though, I will play around with some elvish to try to express the yin/yang or whatnot, and I will see what comes up...

Hantale
Artanaro

[Indis]

lol ya i do not think there is one veiw on the matter. but the yin yang aspect and all that fitting together and the Invisable Hand and all is what i am being taught anyway lol espessaly the Gnostics.

[artanaro]

Oh I just noticed that you added the Faer-en-Edhel name to the fader....
I like it....
Until we come up with a better name (if we do) it will do

Artanaro

[Brethil Duramel]

I like the Yin-Yang idea as well but I don’t see it quite as Light and Dark or Good and Evil. So I tried to find a name that might work and contain the idea of balance. But the only thing I could come up with is choice. It is I believe Eru’s grate gift to us all. So this might not be a name but an accompanying idea. “Man rad Mathach” or “which way do you feel.” It doesn’t sound all that hot in English but I liked the felling of it when I heard myself say it.
Of the two you wrote Artanaro I like Rad-en-Edhel, how about Rad-o-Edhel or maybe Rad-Aniral, Man-Edhel-rad… lol I don’t know if I am using these words at all correctly but theirs my try. I will keep looking. And maybe my attempt gave rise to a new idea. We shall see.

Brethil

[Melfaroth]

Okay, so I have been slacking again, but I need to add my input. I did some thinking and I think all the aforementioned names are good. But I believe that sense we are 'resurrecting' or 'reawakening' the path or spirit of the elves, would it not make sense to add that element to the name? I thought it up, I finally found the Hisweloke where it was saved on the computer, and I put together a few little somethings. We'll see what you think of this:

ad(<--?)echui(?-->)ad

Echuiad - 'Reawakening, Awaken-Again'

Echuiad en Imrad - 'Reawakening of the Path Within'
Imrad Echuiad - 'the Path Within Awaken Again'
Edhel Imrad Echuiad - 'the Path Within the Elf Awaken Again'
Rad en Edhel Echuiad - 'the Path of the Elf Awaken Again'

or

Echuiad en Imfaer - 'Reawakening of the Spirit Within'
Imfaer Echuiad - 'the Spirit Within Awaken-Again'
Edhel Imfaer Echuiad - 'the Spirit Within the Elf Awaken-Again'
Faer en Edhel Echuiad - 'the Spirit of the Elf Awaken Again'


So what do you think of these? Do you like them? Perhaps we can discuss this more later.
For now...

Namarie Mellyn,
Melfaroth

p.s. I especially like Brethil's 'Man Rad Mathach' (which way do you feel?), but we will have to see how we can impliment these things into the name.

[artanaro]

Out of these these are the ones that I like

1. Edhel Imrad Echuiad - 'the Path Within the Elf Awaken Again'
2. Rad en Edhel Echuiad - 'the Path of the Elf Awaken Again'
3. Edhel Imfaer Echuiad - 'the Spirit Within the Elf Awaken-Again'
4. Faer en Edhel Echuiad - 'the Spirit of the Elf Awaken Again'

Good work mellon
Hantale
Artanaro

[Melfaroth]

Hantale Artanaro! It is good that you like some of these. I just thought that 'echuiad' is an element that makes sense for us since we too are reawakening along with these traditions. It does sound right, doesn't it? Though I wasn't completely sure as I do not know whether to fully trust the "Hisweloke" as that good of a reference. That is where it came from though 'ad' being 'again or re-' and 'echui' being 'awaken or awakening' were two separate elements from that dictionary so I was not all together sure if I had put them together accurately, or correctly, though I did try to follow what the dictionary said as well as feeling within whether it was right or not. 'Echuiad' seemed right to me inside, but then again, I do not rightly know the lanquage. Anyways, it was nice to have some input.

..nad dithen mellonnain!
Namarie,
Melfaroth

[artanaro]

I am gravitating towards Faer en Edhel Echuiad - 'the Spirit of the Elf Awaken Again'

This name sings to me...I see the spirit of the elf as in people who are reborn as elves and also spirit of the elf as a kind of elven consciousness which is one of oneness with the Source, All That Is(Eru) as well as harmony with the Earth and with Nature....Anyone could align themselves with the spirit of the elves in this context, so I think this a fitting name...On the other board, Eldameldo also really likes this one ALOT.

Namarie
Artanaro

[Indis]

Then it is final *smiles* The Spirit of the Elf Awaken again. Hope you like my news fadder hehe.