Of Memories

[artanaro]

The name of Imladris had three parts to the name of which is Dor which means Land in elvish....So it would be Dor....something....something.....I cant remember the rest right now....( or Dor appears somewhere in the name, not necessarily at the beginning , at this moment I am not certain.)
I also remember that there were several names used at the time for Imladris but I dont remember Imladris being one of them....This seems to have been either what outsiders called that place, or it was wholly made up by Tolkien...
Anyways, I also remember a little about the foundation of Imladris, and Tolkien got his timeline a bit skewed..According to my memory Imladris was built almost 60 or so years prior to the date given in the books....There was something there at the place, as if the Music of the Ainulindale could be heard more clearly in that place....It was what many would now call a power point....Ulmo's power was extremely strong there and Elrond called upon him several times in the course of history in defense of Imladris, so Imladris was founded as both a military haven for the inevitable war against Sauron when he later came for Celebrimbor's rings, and it was a place of great spiritual power....Elrond was kind of like a guardian of sorts of this place, which was considered by him to be a GREAT honor.
There is always a bit more to the story than is ever recorded in history....

Namarie
Artanaro

[Melfaroth]

Dor Sirioll Linnath? Dor Linnath Sirioll? Either of these do anything for you? Skimming though the Hisweloke again. ^_^ Was curious to see if I could come up with anything. Actually, the more I look at it, Dor Linnath Sirioll, the more it makes less and less sense. I don't know any more than this. Why don't you think about it?

I believe the correct translation for Dor Sirioll Linnath (if at all close) would be:

'Land of the Flowing Mountain Stream that Sings.'

Namarie Mellon,
Melfaroth

P.S. and what about Nain Sirilad? This one, I just thought up between Brethil's word for mine (nain) and putting together 'river vale' as Sirilad.

[artanaro]

One of them was "the land of the singing water"
so that would be Dorlinnen right?
or Linnendor?

I will think about your suggestions....There were at least 4 names for the place, in the Second Age and several more than that in the Third Age...

Nin Sirilad sounds familiar as what the inhabitants would call it. (Brethil's Nain would be a variant of Nin)
Dor Sirioll Linnath sounds familiar as well, but I have the feeling the middle word is slightly off
Le hannon mellon, for helping me out with this..

Artanaro

[Melfaroth]

Nad dithen mellonnain. But I composed Dor Sirioll Linnath from the words 'sirio' flowing, 'oll' mountain stream, and 'linna-' to sing. I picked up the 'th' from another verb that had the 'th' element at the end of it so I thought i would use it on this one. Brethil thinks it is closer as the other way around. Instead of Dor Sirioll Linnath it would be Dor Linnath Sirioll. And that was even without Brethil seeing the alternate possibilities.
And for input on your 'Land of the Singing Water', I thought that one made sense too, but I thought the element 'river' would be more prominent than 'water'. But perhaps not. I like Linnendor. That one does best for me of those two. It seems to sing to best to Brethil as well.

Ad, nad dithen Artanaro. Ar hannon.

Namarie Mellon,
Melfaroth
p.s. how's my grammer?

[artanaro]

Dor Linnath Sirioll sounds much better and it flows...
I think it sounds right, though I am not quite sure, I will have to meditate upon the name.
Yes after I say it alound Linnendor does flow best of the two I said....

I said Land of Singing Water not because of the river itself but because of the power of the water. It was as if the Ainulindale was awoken within the water. We sang to the water and the water sang back to us.
That was the reason for that name. I think it may have been one of the first names for that place, possibly when it was discovered, before the decision was made to build there. This is the story the name gives me.

Oh how I love Elvish, three simple words can contain so much history and beauty, quite unlike any other languages I have heard.

Dor Linnath Sirioll is a much more formal name, the name of a established place in which a people dwell, as opposed to Linnendor which is more of a personal name , arising from the experience of being in that place.

Hantale
Artanaro

[Melfaroth]

No problem. I think I will stick with Nin Sirilad though. ^_^ It feels right to me personally as a personal thing. I had, after all, mistaken Imladris to mean this very thing, for this is what I felt but it turns out that I translated incorrectly. So it will remain that I will call it Nin Sirilad. It was, after all, my home and I hope it to be once again, once it is rebuilt. In my heart, I have a desire for this to come true. It is my dream, as it is Brethil's. And I pray that one day Eru will allow it to be so.
Hey! You didn't answer my p.s., Artanaro. How was my grammar in my post above? I could use some input on my use of elven. After all, it is well to speak a beautiful language such as Sindarinwa, but it is quite another thing to speak it incorrectly.
I am thrilled that I have been of some help to you. I hope I can be of service again in the future, mellon.

But for now...

Namarie,
Melfaroth

[artanaro]

oh your grammar is mostly fine, although sometimes you and me both get the flow of the words wrong....but we are both re-learning the languages (well, slowly in my case )
yes Nin Sirilad is definitely what we called the place.....I remember using this frequently in the Third Age and in that life I do remember you, for you had taught me a great many things, and just as Brethil did an age before I too sat enraptured as you shared the tales of past ages....I loved when you talked about the Valar and Maiar especially, I remember I kept asking you about them.....I must have annoyed you
This was just a flash, I have memories of childhood...Do you remember a small half-elf child, whose one parent was Dunedain , the other of the Eldar? I had brown hair and I assisted Elrond in many healings....(including that of Frodo or Maura as he was called in the tongue of those times : Westron)
I will share more info as I remember it..

Namarie
Artanaro

[Melfaroth]

Well, I do not know if Silalqua accidently deleted my internet box when she landed on the keyboard or what, but I do know that my last message was deleted as a result so I am kind of frazzled at the moment.
I want to say, mellon, that I will never tire of children or their thirst for more knowledge (unlike the common adult), and it is for sure that, even now, I just go on and on when speaking of the Valar and the Maiar or those past ages and it would have been likewise in the past ages of Nin Sirilad. I also delight in correcting Brethil when he mistakes one thing for another (at least to the best of my knowledge ^_^). At times I even forget that Silalqua was never a part of these events in history, so I try to keep patience in correcting her as well. As you can probably see, I would never have been annoyed at you as Glorfindel. As Brethil was enraptured by the vast amounts of knowledge and the wisdom of Glorfindel, it is easy for me to see that what you say about yourself is so. And like Brethil, I am sure that I appreciated you much. One thing I can tell you is that this youth whom you had become would most certainly have helped lift the shadows from Glorfindel's heart, especially those concerning the death of Brethilya, for you would have reminded me of him. This had even at that time probably been weighing still upon my ore. For I as Glorfindel, had witnessed his death. Glorfindel was indeed furious when these events had taken place, so you can imagine the burdens that had lain upon his ore for it.
Anyways, concerning memories of remembering you, I will have to say that I cannot at this time much help you. It is not often that I get visuals like most and when I start to get visuals they are not completely clear and they have to be seconded by another because I am never all too certain that I am remembering correctly. Also, when I start remembering visuals, the landscapes usually come back to me first. So, even if I did start remembering Nin Sirilad itself, it would be a while before I could say that I might remember you mellon.
Indis has asked a favor of me and I am wondering if you could help me out. It is concerning a name, I believe it to be her full name. She wants me to try and figure the name Tishamoniqua. She says that she is pretty sure it is elven, but she is not sure if the spelling is correct at all. I have found some words from both Sindarinwa and Quenya, but I am not at all sure whether any of it is connected. I will continue to keep looking, but if you have any ideas on the name itself, do you think you can let me know? She says she thinks it has something to do with the moon, so I told her that that is a start. She doesn't really know what any of the rest of it may mean at this point in time so we will have to see if any one of us three comes up with anything at all. I cannot remember the languages myself any more than I can memories in general so all I have is my empathic capabilities, my intuition. and my research with the two dictionaries I have at my disposal.
Le hannon, mellon, for getting back to me. If anything ever comes to me at any time about the two of us in Nin Sirilad then I will let you know. But what usually helps me is some insight into who the person was and my relationship with them. *wink* If you can give me some more info to think about then I might just be able to dig something out of my dormant fea. After all, the more I keep digging the further I come to remembering anything at all. And I am already feeling closer to myself since I have met you. Especially with my extensive research of quenya and partial research of sindarinwa to bring together names and statements in eldalamber. These two elements have again awakened the urge to learn more of them and this was a great hobby of Glorfindel, which I believe is very well known. *smiles* I wish to know more and this is also another reason why I am trying to help Indis with her name Tishamoniqua.
I beliieve I have again been too eager with words and I should leave some room in this thread for more entries. I hope I will get the chance to speak with you on the morrow. I do not work long tomorrow. ^_^

Namarie Mellon,
Melfaroth

[artanaro]

I also remember being greatly grieved and angered over the death of Brethil. I am still remembering my life in the Third Age and I do not have much, but I will let you know as well of any developments ....

[Melfaroth]

That would be great, melin nineva. (how do you like the sound of that?) I look forward to it, when the time comes. I feel I am piling more and more work upon you as time goes on. I hope you can forgive me, Artanaro.

Like I said before, I can feel the anger that was within Glorfindel at the time of Brethil's death, and for reasons that I do not know, Glorfindel would not, or could not move to stop it as I believe he was in some way standing by, but I know for sure that he was not 'right' there when the death occured, for he would never have stood by in the shadows while a dear one, and especially a child was murdered before his very eyes. He would have come to Brethil's aide if this were the case and quite possibly would have throttled the lot of them as there were so few of them, maybe five men. Still perhaps it would have been the death of Glorfindel himself up against five strong men, but he would have never let Brethil die alone if this were the case. I will also have to add that I was tailing Brethil and perhaps they grew too impatient with the lad and struck him down before I could reach them. By the time I did, perhaps they were already gone with poor Brethil dying, or possibly already dead. If this were indeed the case, I would have taken the body, myself, to bury him in an attempt to honor his life by erecting a memorial for him. I do not know this for certain though, it is only further thought.
It is also a belief, by me as I was saying before, that Glorfindel was one to give the word to Gil Galad directly. The two would be at an understanding and on the same level, as Brethil was very dear to the both of them.

Namarie Mellon,
Melfaroth

[artanaro]

That memory is still very unclear at the present time, though I will let you and Brethil know when I remember...

Artanaro

[Melfaroth]

Sounds good to me. ^_^